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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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I don't think we're talking about the same thing. But that IS interesting. Do you support burning it in principle, or do you actively support it being burned?
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The freedom of speech is ever preserved...and so is the right to completely destroy and demolish someone socially if they say or do something too far out of line. Never forget that.
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I'd say that exercising your freedom of speech against someone who you believe has foolishly exercised their freedom of speech is fairly American. When people don't like other people's particular stupidity...they speak out against it...they call it out...hell there's entire television programs dedicated to making fun of and shaming people for saying and doing stupid things.
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What we have seen is pure racism from a segment of blacks that blame anything and everything on racism of the whites. As a Slav I have seen White men blamed for everything under the sun and I have recognized that it virtually ALL is to give advantage to someone else and not to stop any real racism of whites.
I fought in a war for my country. And the flag and the national anthem represents my country. If you disrespect that you disrespect all that EVERYONE has received from the freedom of this country.
When in history has there ever been a better one?
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Not everyone born in America supports their government. Nationalism is a horrible idea.
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Me during the national anthem
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I'd like to thank you for fighting for my freedom to sit during the national anthem. If it weren't for you I'd not have the freedom to burn this here flag. I'd salute you, but I only pay reverence to my parents and God.
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Everyone has the right to sit during the national anthem, kneel, bend over...whatever you'd like. The right is solidly secured and no one has even attempted to deny that right. What people seem to forget in this country is that this freedom works both ways. You have the right to kneel......and the rest of the country has the right to ridicule you, shame you, speak out against you, say that it's unethical, say that it's wrong. We have the right to kneel indeed, and we have the right to call you a despicable person for doing it. Yes sir, our freedoms are still intact, but what confuses me are the supporters of the kneeling Football players screaming about freedom when no one's freedom has been infringed upon...
People are making this out to be a case of denial of freedom when it's not. This is a case of asinine people exercising their freedoms and being shamed for the method in which they're doing it. Sounds like a bunch of people exercising freedom to me. If you think that no one should be able to shame you for the way you exercise your freedom...you could always go live in a dictatorship that leans your way and would have the police beat down anyone who publicly disagreed with your protest. But in America, we have the freedom to ridicule and shame other people for the way they exercise their freedoms.
#freedom101
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“Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.”
In other words, there are better things to do with your time.
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I keep a few of these handy for when people need help sucking it up.
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Now that's an interesting question. I'm honestly not settling on a final answer on that one but I can say this: Coming from a heavy Military background with extensive training in firearms and Combat...I can say with a great deal of certainty that the evidence "So far" doesn't look to be in favor of the currently accepted narrative. I'm not saying it was staged, it was fake or that it didn't happen the way they say it did...I'm saying that it only looks that way on the surface. Even the slightest bit of detailed information begins to cast doubt...if I had 7 eyebrows then 6 would be cocked up like Spock.
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Nationalism isn't about supporting the government.
Nationalism - loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially: a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
Intense nationalism was one of the causes of the war.
Nation - a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
a North American Indian people or confederation of peoples.
It is more about the people, country, land, and culture.
You can do whatever you want during the anthem. It's your right, but I don't support it.
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But what is A nation without it's government, who basically makes all the international decisions, etc.?
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Now, this is legal. We have a right as American citizens to do this. No one can take away this right because it's set in law (It could change but currently it's legal). This is your right...just as it's my right to be sick and disgusted with people who actually do this and to call them out, shame them and even tell them to their face that it's morally evil.
The point here is that while you have freedoms to do all sorts of things, people are still going to call you out for it and you'll have to get over it instead of making it out to be an attack on your rights when your rights are OBVIOUSLY preserved.
This NFL kneeling junk was never about rights or whether someone has the right to do it...it's about the NFL players and their supporters being booboo hurt that they're being shamed for it...so they make it out to look like an attack on their right to protest when it never was.
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I suppose it depends on the specific circumstances of the ridicule. It certainly could be a personal attack, a verbal one but personal none-the-less. Again this isn't an attempt to strip someone's freedom or suppress their rights as an American Citizen. No one came onto the field and forcibly picked these guys up, slapped them in the face and held them at gunpoint until they showed respect...they were all allowed to do it. No one's rights have been stifled, no one's freedoms have been suppressed. They made their protest and we made ours.
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Like this?
"Those people exercising their rights are unpatriotic!"???
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"I suppose it depends on the specific circumstances of the ridicule. It certainly could be a personal attack, a verbal one but personal none-the-less. Again this isn't an attempt to strip someone's freedom or suppress their rights as an American Citizen. No one came onto the field and forcibly picked these guys up, slapped them in the face and held them at gunpoint until they showed respect...they were all allowed to do it. No one's rights have been stifled, no one's freedoms have been suppressed. They made their protest and we made ours."
Let's say you are exercising your right to open carry a firearm. Would you be happy if someone ridiculed you about it? I mean you have the freedom to do so without fear of punishment, would you consider that ridicule an infraction on your rights?
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The answer to your question Erfisflat said: No, I don't think I'd be happy about anyone ridiculing me for anything. But in this case, no I wouldn't be happy about someone ridiculing me for exercising my right to carry a firearm.
And Erfisflat said: No, I wouldn't consider it an infraction on my rights for someone else to exercise their rights. You see, that's how our freedoms are built, so that one cannot cause infringement upon another. I'm sure there are people in our Country who "Think" that being ridiculed is an infraction on their rights but these people are mostly misinformed and some of them are just incapable of dealing with ridicule for one reason or another. My right to ridicule your protest is no more of an infringement upon your rights than your right to protest is an infringement upon mine. I don't particularly like the wording there but I think you get my point.
I would have to ask, how exactly would public ridicule be an infringement upon my rights?
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
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I'm not actually a Muslim nationalist, if you were wondering.
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I'm not necessarily talking about the arrest part of the analogy. The ridicule itself would have been horrible for a lady after a hard day at work, me a different story, but I don't lack empathy. Say after segregation ended, is it right that all those people faced ridicule? In the case of the jahovas witnesses, where they wouldn't salute the flag because their religion forbids it, was it right if they were ridiculed?
I don't watch TV, so I don't know exactly what was said, but it sounds borderline slanderous.
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Yea I have to admit I'm not 100% positive about ALL that was said, I only pick up on the connotation and it seems to be negative ridicule with an undertone of patriot heresy.
So again, "Should Rosa Parks suffer ridicule"? No. But her Freedom doesn't exclude her from it. That's what's so unique about America. You can have your Freedom...but that doesn't mean you can say or do whatever you want and there's just ZERO consequences for it. If you act like a fool on national television with over 100 million people watching...yea you might just get some lashback over that.
If you're LITERALLY standing up to racial inequality and racial injustice in every literal sense of the form...no, even if hundreds of billions of people were watching...you shouldn't be ridiculed. The difference is NFL multi-million dollar game-playing superstars doing something that is considered disrespectful by the Majority of U.S. Citizens is NOT the same as one humble Black Woman refusing to be treated like a 2nd class citizen. If Dr. Martin Luther King were standing here today, I have the strong frame of mind to say that he'd be ashamed to see Football players (In his time Football players were something bigger than they are today) doing something as disrespectful as refusing to stand for the national anthem. I really wish he was here today so we could ask him.
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While this ridicule wasn't necessarily an infraction on anyone's rights, it certainly was an inconvenience on their pursuit of happiness, a God given right. So it's not really "ZERO consequences". I really can't comprehend how kneeling during the anthem is being a fool, to me, it is the people that make a big deal about it that are the fool. If the NFL players are losing money for what the President, said it's slander.
I believe MLK would have stood for the constitution and unalienable rights, such as freedom of speech. In his speech, I have a dream, he remarked:
"In a sense we have come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
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The photo of the people attacking this Man's personal property (Car) is not an example of ridicule. This is assault and this is the difference between what we're talking about between Rosa Parks and NFL Players.
I'm going to try to be blunt here even with the looming possibility of finger pointing. If you don't like being ridiculed...tough. Get over it, suck it up, deal with it, you'll be fine, brush it off and carry on. This goes for Rosa Parks, Dr. Martin Luther King, Gregor Mendel, Albert Einstein and every other prominent Mover and Shaker in History who was ever ridiculed. You have the right to Life, the law supports it. You have a right to Liberty, the law supports it. You have a right to the Pursuit of Happiness, which means you can chase the dream without anyone legally stopping you...it doesn't mean that you'll catch your dream or that people won't make fun of you for chasing it.
Freedom of Speech is the exact same way, you have the right to say and express your thoughts...I have the right to say and express mine. You can stand on one side of the street with a sign that says "I demand respect" and I can stand 20ft across from you on the other side of the street with a sign that says "Screw your respect" and guess what...we both have a right to be there. We are not a Nation that panders to the hurt feelings of those who exercised their 2nd amendment right and were ridiculed for it.
Simply put to those who are being mocked...get over it. Do you hear the President coming on TV complaining about how people are saying that he's dumb for having an opinion about the NFL? No, people have a right to think he's dumb and they have a right to say it too. Just as he has the right to say that the NFL should fire the SOBs that refused to stand for the National Anthem. This is how the 2nd amendment works, always has worked this way, always will. The 2nd amendment isn't about what's morally right...it's about your freedom to speak and express yourself without breaking the law. There's people still stomping on the flag and burning it...guess what? That's their right. And there's still people calling them "Idiots", and guess what? That's their right. It's a two way street.
And I agree that MLK would have stood for freedom of speech, and he was smart enough to know that the freedom of speech is a two way street. He would have known better than to try to insinuate that any mockery of his position was an infringement on his freedoms. Martin Luther King stood proud in the face of mockery, in the face of ridicule and he didn't stoop to belly-aching or whining when people called him a N%$$#@, he didn't cry to the government when people made fun of him. Dr. King didn't try to tell people that they couldn't make contradictory statements to his position. No Sir, Dr. King took it ALL in stride and was ABOVE it as he should have been. Dr. King is a SHINING example of what people SHOULD be doing in the face of adversity and GOD only knows why they can't seem to summon up that strength anymore...seems today everyone's so hell bent on claiming that their rights are being trampled on whenever someone takes up an opposition with mockery or insults. You wanna know how you can undermine a powerful movement to stop violence? Let petty $%#@ get under your skin and start crying whenever someone mocks your endeavor...that's how you show how truly weak your movement is.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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So, if I understand this correctly, you're saying that the President should have his freedom of speech, so long as he doesn't use it to say certain things right?
"There's going to be a special place in Hell for people who spread lies through the veil of logical fallacies disguised as rational argument".
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Patriotism is subjective. Some acts can be considered patriotic by some, while others can analyze it completely differently.
Kneeling during the anthem is the same. It can be considered patriotic by some, unpatriotic by some others. I find that we debating on this subject is stupid and ignorant. It's a constitutional right to protest. The NFL players are protesting what they think that is wrong. There is nothing wrong with it, on a lawful point of view.
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